Paul, I am in Germany, and I have organized a group of Americans and Germans coming together regularly to see how we can support democracy in both places. We need to have a global network. Canada might be the easiest place for US citizens to go, but there are others, especially for people who do not have the skills Canada is prefers to accept for long term visas and employment visas.
John Howard, who first lived in Ireland and retired in France just wrote a piece on his Substack about tax considerations when moving from the US to France, and Europe in general. So, everyone cannot go to Canada, because there are way more Americans than Canadians. It is obvious that all 40% of US women between ages of 15 and 44 is still too many for one country to absorb. Germany has absorbed 1.2 million Ukrainians recently, and since the Ukraine said men aged 18-22 could now leave, it is now absorbing more. I know a lot of Americans who have moved to Spain and Portugal as well.
I wrote this piece last November, and it is still relevant. It is called "A 'Plan B' for Catastrophe."
We are less than a year into Trump's 2.0, and so many people are leaving and want to leave. I also have advice for students who can have an easier time leaving the US than working people because they don't have to find a job, they just have to get into a university in another country. Here is a piece I wrote on that for US students. It is called Study Abroad.
Just know you can fight for global democracy from any country and do not need to be in the US to do it. The far right has a well funded, and organized global network, much is tax exempt because far right churches are doing their recruiting and spreading their messages. Trump and his representatives are meeting regularly with far right leaders around the world to give them support. This should be obvious when he propped up Milei in Argentina and helped him win with 20 or 40 billion dollars of our taxes.
Linda, if you've read enough of my comments, you probably already know the climate crisis is my most important issue. Despite Germany's and Scandinavia's great progress on climate issues and technology, I would be very concerned that the shutdown of the AMOC may happen in the next 10-15 years, in which case Northern Europe would enter an ice age rather quickly. I'd research this carefully before making any decisions.
The AMOC was predicted to happen in 2100 and more recently as soon as 2060. I have not read in 2035 or 2040. Do you have a source?
Everyone I know here considers the climate the most important thing, and that is why the Fridays for Future protests are well attended. While all of the Germans I know have cars, and several have electric cars, most of the Americans I know living here do not own cars. Bikes, and public and trains are how we get around most of the time. Some people are in car sharing programs, something that was invented in the city I live in.
I live in a carbon neutral house and we do not have a car here in Europe. The one we have in the US mainly sits parked elsewhere to be gotten rid of at some later date. I am doing my part, including making that a priority in my voting. I, like my Native American ancestors, agree that we should be stewarding the planet for the next 7 generations. The far right supports fossil fuels, so they must be fought globally.
I do not feel like Americans are doing as much as is normal here, even in terms of not creating so much plastic and other waste. I can shop at the farmers markets which are open all year around and things are wrapped in paper not plastic. I can also bring my own cloth bags.
Germany has set backs right now with the current leadership, and we work to make that change too.
Linda, I live in California, the only state besides the Scandinavian countries that has already hit the COP 30 standards. My family has had solar for almost 10 years and this year got a storage battery. My son has had his EV for 10 years now, and we got ours over a year ago. Everything I have done for over a decade in terms of purchases has been with the climate crisis in mind, so believe me, I understand where you are coming from. I would suggest you go to PolitiSage.com. The article I read should be on the upper left hand side. There are several stories about the AMOC on the site. Germany has nothing to apologize for its climate actions, the country most responsible is the US, but as you know, the climate crisis is considered a hoax by the ruling party here. Despite all that China is now doing, I don't think there is anything that can be done to keep the AMOC from slowing down to a stop. I'm sorry I can't give you a more direct link, but I am just not a very techie person... Sigh. And I'm glad you're in Germany and not here, at least as long as republicans are here.
Ellen, when we moved to Germany we remodeled an old house and made it carbon neutral. We have a heating/cooling pump, solar and battery. We have no car here and use bikes, walking and public transportation. I have read articles on both the climate change Europe is in now, which has it heating up, and on AMOC but on different sites.
I did not just leave because of Republicans and Trump, although it accelerated my wanting to leave. I wanted to be in a country where the cost of living was lower, better bike and public transportation infrastructure, better work-life balance, where university is tuition free since our daughter is going to university here, and where there was universal health care that does not exclude pre-existing conditions, where the drinking water cleanliness is protected and the air is better protected too.
He'd probably like to bulldoze and replace it with a gilded equestrian statue of himself in a crown and ermine robes. Better to disassemble it now and move it to Vancouver or Montreal.
I'd be content if the Canadian brains would just come back home! They left because they were enticed by the American mindset that America offers more and better, and they chose to avoid taxes.
Maybe a healthier, more credulous democracy has benefits.
Yes. I 100% agree. We have lost many of our best educated and/or talented to other countries because there was and IS nothing for them here in Canada 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦. ALSO, there are brilliant and exceptionally well qualified professors unemployed in Canada now. START HERE‼️‼️ I am pissed off 😤
I agree that we lost valuable people. We can thank Stephen Harper for the degradation of scientific material and research, and the loss of many scientists, researchers, etc.
This made my day. I have been thinking about leaving the US. I work in a male dominated industry, and the DEI for white guys is awful. Who wants to work under the constant threat of layoffs and no health insurance to watch a bunch of guys (some with mediocre skills at best) get huge bonuses? Not me. You have sold me on Canada. I am already a hockey fan, so I am off to a good start!
Dean, I understood this would happen when my group of Democrats Abroad, mostly in Germany, some in other countries, read Project 2025. It was clear to me after just reading the Dept of Education section that this was a model for turning the US into a third world country. Remember 1/3 of Russians don't have indoor plumbing, and there is nothing else that would make me want to model my country after Russia either, but Trump does not get this.
Trump does not get it. He wants to be president of the MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD!
Because he does not care he does not get that Project 2025, even if only partially carried out is a formula to turn the US into a weak version of its former self, and thus he would be more like Putin than like Biden in power as he turns the US into a third world country which he seems to want to get into forever wars to distract "the people" from the fact that he is a terrible president.
Of course, with 40% of women in child bearing years of 15-44 wanting to leave the US for good, unless Trump or perhaps another fascist successor builds a wall to trap people in on the north as well as the south, that number will grow and so will the number of women leaving. Let the Male Supremacy regime Trump is running develop AI that will bare nothing but male babies for the Incels that support Trump, like Musk, who only has male children, until they decide that is not right for them.
He is considered by fascism experts to be a master at fascist rhetoric, and that is what still keeps them enthralled. He is saying what they want to hear. Some are figuring out it is not jiving with what they are experiencing, others are used to ignoring the truth, as they listen to their corrupt preachers tell them that Trump is anointed by God.
This is the best news I've heard lately for talented and accredited US women of child-bearing age. Let the brain drain be fast and faster. We welcome you here. And you are welcome to all our health care services, including on demand abortions and other reproductive services.
McGill, the University of Waterloo, McMaster, Queen's, U of Toronto, University of Montreal, Laval, Concordia, Dalhousie - and more - these are just a few of the excellent universities in Eastern Canada. Two years ago, a female researcher at the University of Waterloo won the Nobel Prize in her field. We're not slouches here. Time to get over yourselves in the USA. Just saying.
It's been happening all year, teachers' medical doctors, nurse's scientist's, people who want freedom. Onnce the Supreme Court gave Buffoon full Immunity to ruin its democracy and copy Russia's Oppression.
Russian citizens face a high degree of oppression, with their civil and political freedoms significantly curtailed by an authoritarian government that uses state-sponsored systems of fear and punishment. The human rights situation has worsened dramatically since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, leading to the near-total suppression of independent media and civil society.
Suppression of Free Expression and Media: Any public disagreement with the government's policies, particularly regarding the war in Ukraine, risks prosecution. "Wartime censorship" laws have led to the criminalization of anti-war dissent, with individuals receiving long prison sentences for actions like posting a UN report or reading a poem. Independent journalists and media outlets have been forced to shut down or operate in exile.
Political, Judicial, Discrimination and Vulnerable groups, Masked ICE have detained even US citizens in their day and night raids, Its 1984 Orwell big time. And nobody is stopping it, It will take physicality to remove the Authoritarian, nothing less, unless 90% go against them. He is like covid you need 90% for Immunity from it
That foreign credential recognition fund is going to be a BIG one. No more doctors coming to the US only to find themselves as (nearly) janitors in a hospital, and no setting up a private practice. GO CANADA! (Sometimes I hate the enthusiasm cuz it takes SO MUCH from the US.)
Well, if it's young people in the tech areas they want, yes. As a retired academic in a liberal arts area I might not have a lot to contribute to the economy. However, I enthsiastically cheer on my younger colleagues who do.
I don't know. I think they're looking at low cost of living and warm weather, which is why they're looking at France, etc. However, looking at the climate crisis projections, Europe is probably not the place to go. Canada, especially the western part, and possibly the eastern part, might be the place to go.
Back in 2004, when George Bush was re-elected, a number of Yanks read the Fascist handwriting on the wall and headed for Canada. William Kristol and other neocons jeered at them for leaving, but they look now like the early emigres from Germany in the easrly 1930s.
Canada is playing smart and will succeed. There have been many that have already left. I am in my 70's and heard retirees do not qualify for their health care as they have not paid into it. I would need health insurance and not sure how that would work. Would my SS and Medicare be sent to me??
In the first monstrous administration they literally took Bushes pandemic preparedness handbook and threw it in the bin. Obama beefed up the plan. There is nothing more important than health. One can go without a car and floofy clothing or a new sofa. What I witnessed in NYC … we were super cold and sick but we pulled together. Then the healthcare professionals were targeted. Those who wanted safety targeted. I’m grateful to Canada for stepping up to help. Someday our country will snap out of this nightmare. We will need your help in restoring our entire nation in every sector. Being awesome neighbors we will treasure your forethought.
Just two things: The Bay Area is full of H-1B visa holders, working at Google, Meta, Genentech, whatever Ellison's company is called, Palantir, etc. etc. Take them all. However, anyone at Berkeley (UC), please leave alone. We have more Nobel Prizes than anyone else, and (speaking as an alumna) we'd like to keep that statistic. You also have a certain number of men in their seventies who arrived back in the late Sixties and Seventies as refugees from Nixon's draft and are now Canadian citizens and retirees who graduated from Berkeley High School. I know they are happy there, and if they can't come home to visit any more they're welcome to stay in Canada.
At this point, Carney should offer to buy and move the Statue of Liberty to Canada.
Paul, I am in Germany, and I have organized a group of Americans and Germans coming together regularly to see how we can support democracy in both places. We need to have a global network. Canada might be the easiest place for US citizens to go, but there are others, especially for people who do not have the skills Canada is prefers to accept for long term visas and employment visas.
John Howard, who first lived in Ireland and retired in France just wrote a piece on his Substack about tax considerations when moving from the US to France, and Europe in general. So, everyone cannot go to Canada, because there are way more Americans than Canadians. It is obvious that all 40% of US women between ages of 15 and 44 is still too many for one country to absorb. Germany has absorbed 1.2 million Ukrainians recently, and since the Ukraine said men aged 18-22 could now leave, it is now absorbing more. I know a lot of Americans who have moved to Spain and Portugal as well.
I wrote this piece last November, and it is still relevant. It is called "A 'Plan B' for Catastrophe."
https://lindaweide.substack.com/p/a-plan-b-for-catastrophe?r=f0qfn
We are less than a year into Trump's 2.0, and so many people are leaving and want to leave. I also have advice for students who can have an easier time leaving the US than working people because they don't have to find a job, they just have to get into a university in another country. Here is a piece I wrote on that for US students. It is called Study Abroad.
https://lindaweide.substack.com/p/study-abroad?r=f0qfn
Just know you can fight for global democracy from any country and do not need to be in the US to do it. The far right has a well funded, and organized global network, much is tax exempt because far right churches are doing their recruiting and spreading their messages. Trump and his representatives are meeting regularly with far right leaders around the world to give them support. This should be obvious when he propped up Milei in Argentina and helped him win with 20 or 40 billion dollars of our taxes.
Linda, if you've read enough of my comments, you probably already know the climate crisis is my most important issue. Despite Germany's and Scandinavia's great progress on climate issues and technology, I would be very concerned that the shutdown of the AMOC may happen in the next 10-15 years, in which case Northern Europe would enter an ice age rather quickly. I'd research this carefully before making any decisions.
Ellen, I live in Northern Germany and my daughter does too, though not as northern as I am. She is in University in another city.
I agree the climate crisis is the most important, and unfortunately the latest I have heard is that Europe is headed for a warming period.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/why-are-europe-and-arctic-heating-faster-rest-world
The AMOC was predicted to happen in 2100 and more recently as soon as 2060. I have not read in 2035 or 2040. Do you have a source?
Everyone I know here considers the climate the most important thing, and that is why the Fridays for Future protests are well attended. While all of the Germans I know have cars, and several have electric cars, most of the Americans I know living here do not own cars. Bikes, and public and trains are how we get around most of the time. Some people are in car sharing programs, something that was invented in the city I live in.
I live in a carbon neutral house and we do not have a car here in Europe. The one we have in the US mainly sits parked elsewhere to be gotten rid of at some later date. I am doing my part, including making that a priority in my voting. I, like my Native American ancestors, agree that we should be stewarding the planet for the next 7 generations. The far right supports fossil fuels, so they must be fought globally.
I do not feel like Americans are doing as much as is normal here, even in terms of not creating so much plastic and other waste. I can shop at the farmers markets which are open all year around and things are wrapped in paper not plastic. I can also bring my own cloth bags.
Germany has set backs right now with the current leadership, and we work to make that change too.
Linda, I live in California, the only state besides the Scandinavian countries that has already hit the COP 30 standards. My family has had solar for almost 10 years and this year got a storage battery. My son has had his EV for 10 years now, and we got ours over a year ago. Everything I have done for over a decade in terms of purchases has been with the climate crisis in mind, so believe me, I understand where you are coming from. I would suggest you go to PolitiSage.com. The article I read should be on the upper left hand side. There are several stories about the AMOC on the site. Germany has nothing to apologize for its climate actions, the country most responsible is the US, but as you know, the climate crisis is considered a hoax by the ruling party here. Despite all that China is now doing, I don't think there is anything that can be done to keep the AMOC from slowing down to a stop. I'm sorry I can't give you a more direct link, but I am just not a very techie person... Sigh. And I'm glad you're in Germany and not here, at least as long as republicans are here.
Ellen, when we moved to Germany we remodeled an old house and made it carbon neutral. We have a heating/cooling pump, solar and battery. We have no car here and use bikes, walking and public transportation. I have read articles on both the climate change Europe is in now, which has it heating up, and on AMOC but on different sites.
Here is what I am reading.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/ocean-current-collapse-could-trigger-profound-cooling-in-northern-europe-even-with-global-warming/
and
https://www.geomar.de/en/news/article/new-insights-into-changes-of-the-atlantic-current-system
I did not just leave because of Republicans and Trump, although it accelerated my wanting to leave. I wanted to be in a country where the cost of living was lower, better bike and public transportation infrastructure, better work-life balance, where university is tuition free since our daughter is going to university here, and where there was universal health care that does not exclude pre-existing conditions, where the drinking water cleanliness is protected and the air is better protected too.
Yes, t will probably take the money.
He'd probably like to bulldoze and replace it with a gilded equestrian statue of himself in a crown and ermine robes. Better to disassemble it now and move it to Vancouver or Montreal.
I'd be content if the Canadian brains would just come back home! They left because they were enticed by the American mindset that America offers more and better, and they chose to avoid taxes.
Maybe a healthier, more credulous democracy has benefits.
Just had a similar thought. 💭
It’s going to be nice for once to be on the receiving end of someone else’s brain drain.
We’ve lost so many of our best & brightest due to stifling by some of our provinces and industries.
Yes.
Yes. I 100% agree. We have lost many of our best educated and/or talented to other countries because there was and IS nothing for them here in Canada 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦. ALSO, there are brilliant and exceptionally well qualified professors unemployed in Canada now. START HERE‼️‼️ I am pissed off 😤
I agree that we lost valuable people. We can thank Stephen Harper for the degradation of scientific material and research, and the loss of many scientists, researchers, etc.
Yesssss! That would be even better!
Well, I am a petty one lol. I bow down to Mark Carney and say to trump and his maggots ‘we spit in your eye.’ I absolutely love this, Dean. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
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This made my day. I have been thinking about leaving the US. I work in a male dominated industry, and the DEI for white guys is awful. Who wants to work under the constant threat of layoffs and no health insurance to watch a bunch of guys (some with mediocre skills at best) get huge bonuses? Not me. You have sold me on Canada. I am already a hockey fan, so I am off to a good start!
Great choice!
Have a look at Canada.ca for information.
Canada.....a country that values education, expertise, kindness and security. Good for you, Canada. We now look to you to lead the world
As evidence just read the University of Toronto's recent hiring announcements. Top US researchers are already being hired.
Dean, I understood this would happen when my group of Democrats Abroad, mostly in Germany, some in other countries, read Project 2025. It was clear to me after just reading the Dept of Education section that this was a model for turning the US into a third world country. Remember 1/3 of Russians don't have indoor plumbing, and there is nothing else that would make me want to model my country after Russia either, but Trump does not get this.
Trump gets it completely.
HE DOESN’T CARE!
He doesn’t care if American people live in squalor and die after suffering. As long as he gets what he wants, nothing else/no one else matters.
Trump does not get it. He wants to be president of the MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD!
Because he does not care he does not get that Project 2025, even if only partially carried out is a formula to turn the US into a weak version of its former self, and thus he would be more like Putin than like Biden in power as he turns the US into a third world country which he seems to want to get into forever wars to distract "the people" from the fact that he is a terrible president.
Of course, with 40% of women in child bearing years of 15-44 wanting to leave the US for good, unless Trump or perhaps another fascist successor builds a wall to trap people in on the north as well as the south, that number will grow and so will the number of women leaving. Let the Male Supremacy regime Trump is running develop AI that will bare nothing but male babies for the Incels that support Trump, like Musk, who only has male children, until they decide that is not right for them.
I don’t know what trump wants. He’s got obvious dementia plus cardiovascular disease and, IMO, is unlikely to last another year.
He’s telling his MAGA base that reality isn’t real.
He’s talking about how much the cost of living has improved to people who actually buy groceries and put gas in their cars.
Do the true believers stay with him because they believe that the US is overrun with “illegals” and he’s the only one doing something about it?
He is considered by fascism experts to be a master at fascist rhetoric, and that is what still keeps them enthralled. He is saying what they want to hear. Some are figuring out it is not jiving with what they are experiencing, others are used to ignoring the truth, as they listen to their corrupt preachers tell them that Trump is anointed by God.
Why be prtrump wants to be emperor, over all the western hemisphere. From pole to pole.
He is commander of the biggest military in history.
He fully intends to repatriate the US troops, like we saw in Afganistan.
Remember , he’s just the face of a very methodical plan to subvert America.
This is the best news I've heard lately for talented and accredited US women of child-bearing age. Let the brain drain be fast and faster. We welcome you here. And you are welcome to all our health care services, including on demand abortions and other reproductive services.
McGill, the University of Waterloo, McMaster, Queen's, U of Toronto, University of Montreal, Laval, Concordia, Dalhousie - and more - these are just a few of the excellent universities in Eastern Canada. Two years ago, a female researcher at the University of Waterloo won the Nobel Prize in her field. We're not slouches here. Time to get over yourselves in the USA. Just saying.
It's been happening all year, teachers' medical doctors, nurse's scientist's, people who want freedom. Onnce the Supreme Court gave Buffoon full Immunity to ruin its democracy and copy Russia's Oppression.
Russian citizens face a high degree of oppression, with their civil and political freedoms significantly curtailed by an authoritarian government that uses state-sponsored systems of fear and punishment. The human rights situation has worsened dramatically since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, leading to the near-total suppression of independent media and civil society.
Suppression of Free Expression and Media: Any public disagreement with the government's policies, particularly regarding the war in Ukraine, risks prosecution. "Wartime censorship" laws have led to the criminalization of anti-war dissent, with individuals receiving long prison sentences for actions like posting a UN report or reading a poem. Independent journalists and media outlets have been forced to shut down or operate in exile.
Political, Judicial, Discrimination and Vulnerable groups, Masked ICE have detained even US citizens in their day and night raids, Its 1984 Orwell big time. And nobody is stopping it, It will take physicality to remove the Authoritarian, nothing less, unless 90% go against them. He is like covid you need 90% for Immunity from it
That foreign credential recognition fund is going to be a BIG one. No more doctors coming to the US only to find themselves as (nearly) janitors in a hospital, and no setting up a private practice. GO CANADA! (Sometimes I hate the enthusiasm cuz it takes SO MUCH from the US.)
More brilliance and they deserve it.
When you read SubStack articles about moving to another country, no one mentions Canada. It’s all France, Spain, Portugal etc. Maybe they’re retirees.
Yes, they're retirees.
Is it harder for retirees to emigrate to Canada?
Well, if it's young people in the tech areas they want, yes. As a retired academic in a liberal arts area I might not have a lot to contribute to the economy. However, I enthsiastically cheer on my younger colleagues who do.
I don't know. I think they're looking at low cost of living and warm weather, which is why they're looking at France, etc. However, looking at the climate crisis projections, Europe is probably not the place to go. Canada, especially the western part, and possibly the eastern part, might be the place to go.
No. It’s just colder.
Back in 2004, when George Bush was re-elected, a number of Yanks read the Fascist handwriting on the wall and headed for Canada. William Kristol and other neocons jeered at them for leaving, but they look now like the early emigres from Germany in the easrly 1930s.
Canada is playing smart and will succeed. There have been many that have already left. I am in my 70's and heard retirees do not qualify for their health care as they have not paid into it. I would need health insurance and not sure how that would work. Would my SS and Medicare be sent to me??
We have a family reunification program that has brought in many retired people and they all qualify for healthcare here.
I think you could look at Canada.ca for details of everything that is available.
Thanks
Oh Canada! We love you.
In the first monstrous administration they literally took Bushes pandemic preparedness handbook and threw it in the bin. Obama beefed up the plan. There is nothing more important than health. One can go without a car and floofy clothing or a new sofa. What I witnessed in NYC … we were super cold and sick but we pulled together. Then the healthcare professionals were targeted. Those who wanted safety targeted. I’m grateful to Canada for stepping up to help. Someday our country will snap out of this nightmare. We will need your help in restoring our entire nation in every sector. Being awesome neighbors we will treasure your forethought.
Just two things: The Bay Area is full of H-1B visa holders, working at Google, Meta, Genentech, whatever Ellison's company is called, Palantir, etc. etc. Take them all. However, anyone at Berkeley (UC), please leave alone. We have more Nobel Prizes than anyone else, and (speaking as an alumna) we'd like to keep that statistic. You also have a certain number of men in their seventies who arrived back in the late Sixties and Seventies as refugees from Nixon's draft and are now Canadian citizens and retirees who graduated from Berkeley High School. I know they are happy there, and if they can't come home to visit any more they're welcome to stay in Canada.